Dr. Ben Butina interviews Henri Mindidza, a third-year graduate student in I/O psychology at Portland State University. Henry discusses his experiences with mentoring undergraduate students and how he helps them navigate the challenges of graduate school. He shares some of the most common questions he receives from mentees, such as how to manage their time, how to approach class assignments, and how to deal with supervisor dynamics. Henry also talks about the importance of being a critical thinker and how he helps his mentees develop this skill. He concludes by saying that the most rewarding part of being a mentor is seeing someone come back and say that a conversation they had helped them figure out where they wanted to go in their career.
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00:00:00 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Hello everyone and welcome back to Department 12, where we talk about everything, IO Psych. I’m your host doctor. Ben Butina. Joining me today is Henri Maindidze. Henri, how are you today?
00:00:12 Henri Maindidze
I’m doing great. Doctor Butina. How are you doing?
00:00:14 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
I’m doing just fine and you can call me Ben.
00:00:17 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Henry, you are a third year graduate student in IO Psych at Portland State University, right.
00:00:24 Henri Maindidze
Yes, I am.
00:00:25 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
What are your research interests and and like sort of, where are you in your program?
00:00:29 Henri Maindidze
So I finished my first two years of classes and my research interests are around diversity, equity and inclusion, recruitment, selection and training. So really thinking about how do you make sure you’re selecting the best employees?
00:00:44 Henri Maindidze
And that those employees that are being selected are being selected based on the merits that they have, regardless of the.
00:00:51 Henri Maindidze
And then from there, when once they’re on the job, how do you then think about the skills that they need continue to produce their best work and from there, how do you then develop their training and evaluate whether it was actually effective?
00:01:06 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Well, that’s a big topic, but an important one. So I wish you the the best of luck in in your research there topic of today’s show though, is mentoring and Graduate School.
00:01:17 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
And I know that that’s something you’re doing now. Could you just give us a little background? Like, how did you hear about that process and and what got you?
00:01:23 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Interested in it well so.
00:01:26 Henri Maindidze
Topic of mentorship was something that actually stood up well before I started my PhD. It was when I was doing my my associates degree at Montgomery College.
00:01:37 Henri Maindidze
In in.
00:01:38 Henri Maindidze
And it was. It was interesting because, you know, when you’re when you’re in a Community College, you’re seeing students from all spectrums of the the weird trajectory. So whether it’s high school students who’ve who’ve just been getting closer and closer to getting to college, whether it’s people coming from 20 year.
00:01:59 Henri Maindidze
Careers and trying to switch and transition, and whether it’s more traditional students who just moving along and trying to get the degrees. And so being there in that sort of.
00:02:11 Henri Maindidze
Place made me ask a lot of questions around what kinds of things do people need to be.
00:02:18 Henri Maindidze
And how how do we address the gaps that that might be there for different students and so going along in my educational journey was asking myself that question more and more. And that was part of what made Biopsychology jump out to me. And so I’ve been trying to find ways to make that happen.
00:02:39 Henri Maindidze
So when I was at UNBC, I was a transfer student, network leader and.
00:02:45 Henri Maindidze
In that work, I was hoping to facilitate an easier transition for first year transfer students, UMBC. So thinking about, how do you adjust to a new school?
00:02:57 Henri Maindidze
New program possibly. And how do you make sure that you have the resources that you feel like you might need for wherever you want to go and thinking about that was so exciting for me because as someone who’s always enjoyed the the research process and then just the process of problem solving is.
00:03:18 Henri Maindidze
Fascinating to.
00:03:19 Henri Maindidze
To try to consider where.
00:03:22 Henri Maindidze
I can best help people to to move themselves along and answering those questions with.
00:03:30 Henri Maindidze
On that had answering those questions that didn’t have overly clear answers. So in thinking about that, it was when I was applying for PhD programs in particular.
00:03:44 Henri Maindidze
I found myself with the the trouble of I’ve never applied for a PhD program before. I’ve never applied for a PhD program in Iowa, Psychology in particular. So how do I find the resources to get those answers of what that is like? How do I bridge that gap for myself?
00:04:04 Henri Maindidze
So it doesn’t feel like, you know, PhD life is this esoteric thing that can never be.
00:04:11 Henri Maindidze
Good. And I found myself asking questions and reaching out to people and asking more questions. And the I’m so grateful to all the people who got the chance to speak to because of that, because I’ve learned so much beyond just being in the classroom and doing the research. And I’ve wanted to.
00:04:31 Henri Maindidze
Make sure that those who don’t have those sorts of resources or don’t have the kinds of people that they they can ask those questions too, can know that there could be someone who they could ask that.
00:04:44 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
So it sounds like you kind of focus on helping people when there’s not a clear or direct answer. So anything that can find its way into a student handbook or a syllabus, it ends up there, but not every question has such a clear cut answer. Could you share an example of like maybe the kind of question that you get as a mentor?
00:05:05 Henri Maindidze
I think questions around how do you approach managing your schedule is a big one.
00:05:15 Henri Maindidze
Going back to thinking about life before I.
00:05:18 Henri Maindidze
Started my PhD.
00:05:21 Henri Maindidze
Being lucky enough to be surrounded by people who are pursuing it.
00:05:27 Henri Maindidze
There was somewhat the feeling that you know pH. D life could be all consumed.
00:05:32 Henri Maindidze
Right.
00:05:34 Henri Maindidze
And you know, you’re you’re doing all of this work and you’re seeking this, this degree that indicates that you are an expert in this particular field in this particular topic area.
00:05:46 Henri Maindidze
And that the pursuit of that can be draining. Yeah. And so the thought of.
00:05:55 Henri Maindidze
You know like.
00:05:55 Henri Maindidze
How do you how do you then find time for yourself in life while you’re still doing this? And while you’re still trying to to be successful is a big one, I think.
00:06:06 Henri Maindidze
Things are on how do you how do you approach class assignments? Is another big one.
00:06:11 Henri Maindidze
Or how do you deal with, you know supervisor dynamics or?
00:06:18 Henri Maindidze
Interactions with faculty or just general?
00:06:23 Henri Maindidze
I I want to do something with my life. Psychology is really interesting and I don’t really know what exactly in psychology I want to do. So how do I? How do I get from knowing known as studies psychology and have a career in it to I know I want to be a counseling psychologist or I know I want to do behavior on their own.
00:06:44 Henri Maindidze
Science or biopsychology?
00:06:46 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Well, so you’re a mentor currently, right?
00:06:50 Henri Maindidze
I am, yes. So I am mentoring more informally at the moment.
00:06:56 Henri Maindidze
In my time at SUNY Albany, I was I was a part of their psychology, undergraduate mentor mentorship program, so they they would pair us up with an undergrad psych student, and we’d then be able to.
00:07:11 Henri Maindidze
To help them.
00:07:13 Henri Maindidze
Talk about, you know, what kinds of career options do you have and how? How can we best be a resource? And beyond that, just people in my network reaching out and and saying we we have someone who’s interested in psychology or psychology and you can you have a quick conversation with them.
00:07:33 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
And would you say, like most of those requests really are a quick conversation or do some of them develop in the longer term mentoring relationships?
00:07:45 Henri Maindidze
I think it depends the the ones that are about students seeking help with applying to Graduate School or.
00:07:54 Henri Maindidze
A little bit longer.
00:07:56 Henri Maindidze
Necessarily. So there’s there’s there’s more that goes into that from thinking about the school, you might want to go to.
00:08:02 Henri Maindidze
How do you decipher which research interests jump out?
00:08:07 Henri Maindidze
Or how do you deal with writing a personal statement?
00:08:08 Henri Maindidze
Anything like that?
00:08:10 Henri Maindidze
And so those conversations are a little bit more in depth, but then questions around just I’m debating between these two or three possibilities.
00:08:23 Henri Maindidze
What are your thoughts and just trying to help help people think through where, where, where they want to go, those conversations tend.
00:08:31 Henri Maindidze
To be a little bit.
00:08:32 Henri Maindidze
Order and it means I just leave the door open to if they want to, to follow up. They can. If if they don’t, then they they don’t feel need to feel obligated to do so.
00:08:45 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Yeah. What is the hardest part of being a mentor to to this population?
00:08:53 Henri Maindidze
It’s a good question, I would say.
00:08:56 Henri Maindidze
Dealing with the misconceptions.
00:09:01 Henri Maindidze
This conception is in a number of ways, so in one way, like I mentioned before, Graduate School is both.
00:09:09 Henri Maindidze
Massive undertaking and it is also not something that has to consume your life, right? So so dealing with that misconception.
00:09:20 Henri Maindidze
I think things around how do you break down the fact that you might be signing up for a five year PhD program into thinking about Ohh wait, hold on. It’s not. It’s not just five years, it’s it’s three years of classes. It’s the last two years maybe for other research or your dissertation. You you might have an initial research.
00:09:41 Henri Maindidze
Put it along the way or a thesis. And how do you make it more tangible and make it more approachable?
00:09:49 Henri Maindidze
For for people, I think misconceptions around archeology in general and things around you know. OK, so you doing therapy in the workplace, are you, you know, diagnosing problems in a particular way. What does it mean to consider things like?
00:10:10 Henri Maindidze
Diversity equine inclusion in the workplace and all sorts of things like that.
00:10:16 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
So you sound like an altruistic person. I wonder, is there anything that you get from this other than, you know, the satisfaction of helping other people? Do you learn from the people you mentor at all?
00:10:28 Henri Maindidze
Necessarily so. And I think the.
00:10:32 Henri Maindidze
What I’ve learned most is.
00:10:35 Henri Maindidze
That’s there. There are things to learn from everyone and I would never want to approach any sort of mentorship conversation from a place of, you know, all knowingness or something like that. There’s there’s a number of times where I’m sitting there trying to answer a question.
00:10:58 Henri Maindidze
Then then I think to myself, we hold on this, this, this, Google this together. Let’s let’s try to figure this out.
00:11:04 Henri Maindidze
Because, you know, this is a question that’s interesting to me as well. Now I also want to know and then how do you how do you sort of work through it from there? So I think the the biggest thing is seeing seeing someone come back a few months later or a year later and say, you know what, the, that conversation that we had really helped me.
00:11:25 Henri Maindidze
Figure out where I wanted to go that conversation. Yeah.
00:11:29 Henri Maindidze
Helped me realize that, you know, our psychology wasn’t for me, or that our psychology really works or whatever it is that they might be pursuing inside or outside of psychology.
00:11:41 Henri Maindidze
So I think that’s definitely the biggest thing that I get from it and it’s for me, that’s more than enough because I I came to our psychology because I wanted to make the world work better for people and think about it through the the systems and the workplaces than.
00:12:03 Henri Maindidze
That we inhabit day-to-day.
00:12:05 Henri Maindidze
And so if if I can help facilitate someone’s progression towards one of those workplaces, and even have them become a more critical thinker in the process of considering where they want to go, then then I’ve been successful and.
00:12:23 Henri Maindidze
You know what?
00:12:24 Henri Maindidze
Whatever else comes as a result of that is.
00:12:26 Henri Maindidze
It’s just a bonus.
00:12:28 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
That’s fantastic. Thank you so much for sharing that and I.
00:12:31 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Especially appreciate you sharing that you don’t have to know everything to be a mentor, right? I think that’s what scares some people away from from offering to be in that role is the idea that it’s really just all about, you know, sharing your wisdom and your advice. And I’m sure that you do plenty of that.
00:12:48 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
But it’s not always what mentoring is about. Sometimes, like you said, it’s it’s sitting down with Google with someone and and figuring it out together.
00:12:57 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
If someone’s looking for a mentor, what advice would you give them?
00:13:04 Henri Maindidze
Sit down, get a piece of paper out or get the note section of your phone out wherever you write things down and and ask yourself.
00:13:13 Henri Maindidze
Where? Where do I want to go?
00:13:16 Henri Maindidze
I think that that question helps make the searching process a lot easier. So you know if you.
00:13:25 Henri Maindidze
If you feel like you really want to go pursue behavioral neuroscience, and maybe you really shouldn’t talk to a political scientist.
00:13:35 Henri Maindidze
Thinking about them as a thing for yourself, right. I think beyond that then asking. OK, so if this is what I want to pursue, like if we’re taking our psychology as an example, I don’t want to do psychology. So now now that I know that who do I know that’s?
00:13:54 Henri Maindidze
Either doing something within our psychology or knows someone who’s doing irzyk cology related work.
00:14:02 Henri Maindidze
And so how do I then get to the person who can help show me a little bit more about what pursuing ipsycho ologi is like or whatever it is that that one wants to pursue? And I think doing both of those things makes the search so much quicker because.
00:14:22 Henri Maindidze
I think the lack of clarity can be where a lot of the stress.
00:14:29 Henri Maindidze
And the the feelings of uncertainty might come from.
00:14:34 Henri Maindidze
And I know that for for me, like I’m a very detailed person. And so when I was thinking about the kinds of mentors that I would want for, for myself, I was thinking about it in in that particular way. And I OK, so I want to do a psychology.
00:14:51 Henri Maindidze
I know I’m really interested in diversity, equity and inclusion and and at UMBC I did this research around this and so I want to talk to people who are doing that sort of stuff.
00:15:03 Henri Maindidze
I you know as a as.
00:15:06 Henri Maindidze
As a black man in America from Zimbabwe, like I know I’d want people who would recognize and understand some of the experiences I might have had and the nuances that I bring to the work that that I want to do so.
00:15:20 Henri Maindidze
How do I then find people who are doing some of that, and for me that was through, you know, like like black senior psychology, which is, which is a wonderful resource for me and.
00:15:34 Henri Maindidze
Be uplifted professionally and personally as I’m seeking to go with our sychology.
00:15:44 Henri Maindidze
Those those things definitely jump out most.
00:15:48 Henri Maindidze
And I think beyond that being OK with your mind changing along the way, I think there’s there’s a real fear of change and and whether that change is OK. I want. I want to pursue this thing and I want to have people in my corner who have done this thing.
00:16:10 Henri Maindidze
Who can tell me about what this is like?
00:16:12 Henri Maindidze
But I don’t really know what that next next step looks like, and so I’m not going to take it and I.
00:16:19 Henri Maindidze
Would push people.
00:16:20 Henri Maindidze
Who are thinking about seeking mentors to?
00:16:24 Henri Maindidze
To be OK with.
00:16:26 Henri Maindidze
You know, circumstances shifting, whether that means this mentor was here for a season and has helped me in this season and in this next season, maybe it’s not the best or you know this, like, my research interests have changed.
00:16:42 Henri Maindidze
Along the way.
00:16:43 Henri Maindidze
So how do I then expand my network?
00:16:46 Henri Maindidze
Well, how do I then ask the people I know to help me?
00:16:50 Henri Maindidze
Continue to progress along the way.
00:16:53 Henri Maindidze
It’s the you and your mentor ideally should be growing together.
00:16:59 Henri Maindidze
It’s a.
00:17:01 Henri Maindidze
The two way St. the the the mentee learns from the mental the experiences they have and then the the mentor gets an idea of what kinds of things to do. I wish that I knew when I was them when I.
00:17:15 Henri Maindidze
Was at their stage.
00:17:17 Henri Maindidze
And how do I fill in that gap?
00:17:20 Henri Maindidze
And what kinds of things are they bringing to their experience that I don’t know? And what can I do with that and what does that mean?
00:17:27 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
If I’m a graduate student and I’m looking for a mentor to help me with the kinds of questions you just discussed, would you recommend finding someone who’s also in Graduate School, or maybe recently graduated, or someone who’s got significantly more experience?
00:17:49 Henri Maindidze
Yes, I would say both.
00:17:52 Henri Maindidze
And I say that partially because my mentors.
00:17:57 Henri Maindidze
Both early career.
00:18:00 Henri Maindidze
And you know, like significantly more experienced.
00:18:04 Henri Maindidze
And I think the perspective that comes from that is really important and the the infusing of, OK, so I I guess the almost like a Big Brother concept, right, you you come in as a first year in your program.
00:18:20 Henri Maindidze
Them and you have 4th and 5th year like PhD students who who put their arm around your shoulder and say.
00:18:29 Henri Maindidze
You know, we’re going to take some time to talk about what this program is like from our perspective and make sure that you’re as successful as possible. And that’s that’s really important because now you know, OK, so these people are looking out for me and they’re coming with the perspective.
00:18:50 Henri Maindidze
Of you know, having gone through the 1st.
00:18:53 Henri Maindidze
Few years of graduate.
00:18:54 Henri Maindidze
School, but still in the environment and still in the.
00:18:57 Henri Maindidze
Space and there’s value to that perspective, the give you some context and the people who are significantly more experienced might not be able to provide that same perspective.
00:19:11 Henri Maindidze
Because they’ve been removed from the academic environment for a number of years.
00:19:16 Henri Maindidze
But then on the other hand, all of that experience they’ve gained over their careers in navigating. OK, so I’ve finished my qualifying exams, how do I pick a dissertation topic? Or I’ve defended my dissertation and graduated. How do I then approach?
00:19:36 Henri Maindidze
Early career life, you know, how do I then approach finding the suitable organization for me?
00:19:42 Henri Maindidze
What? What sort of spaces might I want to work in? What lessons have I learned from maybe starting my own consulting company or working in a small startup or larger organs?
00:19:56 Henri Maindidze
And so for me, having both of those sides is just.
00:20:01 Henri Maindidze
Enriched the way I think about our psychology so much, and I’m very grateful for it.
00:20:08 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Yeah, I I agree with you there. I think having a near mentor and a far mentor, those are just terms I’ve made-up. But I almost think about it like climbing a mountain. You know, someone who has, you know, climbed a mountain 20 years ago can give you perspective that that someone who just is walking in front of you can’t. But the person who’s walking just in front of you.
00:20:29 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Is walking the same trail. You know that they see more of what you’re seeing.
00:20:33 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
And they’re, like, sort of immediate experience might be more relevant. So getting the best of both worlds sounds pretty great for someone who’s willing to put in the work to find the right people to do it. You talked about your research interest at the beginning of the episode, and I’m sure that mentoring plays some part in that. But I wonder what you would research about mentoring.
00:20:55 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
If you were given, you know, an unlimited budget, unlimited time, some staff like what are the questions about mentoring that you would like to know about?
00:21:08 Henri Maindidze
Before I answer that question, as somewhat of a stall so I can think of an.
00:21:12 Henri Maindidze
Answer to that question.
00:21:14 Henri Maindidze
I do love the mountain metaphor, as you know. Like, I don’t want to like, like the person in front of you can make sure you don’t fall off with.
00:21:25 Henri Maindidze
Some some corner that comes along some some Cliff edge. The person further along has already done it can.
00:21:33 Henri Maindidze
Can guide you through how do you approach climbing mountains in general and.
00:21:38 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
I really use that that analogy a lot. When I work with new managers. So in an organizational setting, there’s this tendency I think for like a new manager to to want a mentor who is, you know, like a vice president or something like that. And you know, the vice president or the senior leader can certainly give you a perspective.
00:21:58 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
That you could value, but it has been a long time since that person was a new manager, so the immediate trail, you know, the immediate steps that are right in front of you, not only has it been a long time for them.
00:22:10 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
But the trail may have changed. You know, it probably different being a new manager now than it was 20 years ago when that person was starting out.
00:22:19 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
So I have a tendency to encourage new managers to look for, you know what I call a near mentor or a Sherpa mentor would be.
00:22:27 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Another way to put.
00:22:27 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
It is. This is.
00:22:28 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Somebody who’s you know who can climb the mountain, they’re going to be a few steps ahead of you, but they’re close enough to what you’re experiencing to give you good, you know, practical advice on.
00:22:39 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
The steps that are immediately in front of you, whereas that person has maybe climbed the mountain a bunch of times, has a perspective that the the Sherpa does not.
00:22:50 Henri Maindidze
Yeah, and.
00:22:50 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Yeah, hopefully that brought you some time.
00:22:53 Henri Maindidze
No, no, I appreciate it. Appreciate it.
00:22:56 Henri Maindidze
I I love a good, good mountain Segway and in thinking about the mountain and in a way, I would really want to.
00:23:06 Henri Maindidze
Explore factors that that lead someone’s sick mentorship, like how how do people how do individuals?
00:23:21 Henri Maindidze
You know can consider the the question of, you know, seeking some some sort of role model because essentially like a mentor is a.
00:23:29 Henri Maindidze
It’s a professional.
00:23:30 Henri Maindidze
Role model in.
00:23:31 Henri Maindidze
A way that you get to talk to and so you know what kinds of things lead someone.
00:23:36 Henri Maindidze
To seek that.
00:23:37 Henri Maindidze
Is an important question and what kinds of things make to people from different backgrounds have different responses in terms of even approaching mentorship? So you know what?
00:23:49 Henri Maindidze
What is? What is the difference between a first first year highschool PhD student who?
00:23:58 Henri Maindidze
You know, is from a. It was raised in an affluent area, has had access to to quality resources as has gone to to schools where faculty and classmates are supportive and high, achieving and all of that. And and another student who’s not had access to those same things.
00:24:20 Henri Maindidze
You know what kinds of barriers are there? What kinds of barriers are there maybe for?
00:24:25 Henri Maindidze
Students who are first generation like even just the the questions of, you know, even some of the questions that that I have asked myself about mentorship, you know that that comes that might come partially from me not being a first generation college student. And so how do you then.
00:24:45 Henri Maindidze
Approach all of that and then from there, what, what sort of things really?
00:24:52 Henri Maindidze
Predict a successful mentoring, mentoring relationship. What sort of characteristics? And I’m sure that some of these things have been explored in the in the literature. And you know, if they they haven’t then.
00:25:06 Henri Maindidze
That that’d be a crying shame. But you know, how do you how do you make sure that you’re picking a good mentor? How does a mentor make sure that they’re picking a mentee, that they’re best place to best support, you know, like.
00:25:21 Henri Maindidze
It’s it would be a disservice as a mentor for me to say I’m going to take someone on to try to help them in their career when I’m not capable or qualified in the ways that they best need. Right? So what? What sorts of things are influencing there? And then how do you, what are metrics for success?
00:25:42 Henri Maindidze
For mentorship and what what are metrics for success that most people in mentor, mentee relationships most often think about.
00:25:51 Henri Maindidze
Whether it’s, you know, like tangible progression like I got a promotion, I got into Graduate School, I got my degree or if it’s just things like, I feel less stressed about life.
00:26:03 Henri Maindidze
Or anything in in those sorts of spaces, so you know those questions and and many many more.
00:26:12 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Henry, I wanted to thank you for being on the show.
00:26:15 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Feel like I’ve learned a lot and you’ve given me a lot.
00:26:18 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
To think about as well.
00:26:20 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Is there a way that a listener who maybe had some follow up questions?
00:26:25 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Who contact you?
00:26:26 Henri Maindidze
Absolutely. So the the best way is is through LinkedIn. So I would I would love to to have people reach out, ask questions.
00:26:38 Henri Maindidze
So so that we can learn from each other and I.
00:26:43 Henri Maindidze
I’ve always been described by my friends and family as voraciously curious, and so I.
00:26:51 Henri Maindidze
Open to all the all the questions and trying to dig through what what does that all look like I?
00:27:01 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Yeah. So I will definitely share that link to your profile to LinkedIn in the show notes and on the episode page for the show. And I would encourage any listener who’s kind of on the fence about whether.
00:27:13 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Whether they want to reach out for mentorship or you know they have questions, please do it. You know, like, don’t, don’t stay sitting on the fence.
00:27:23 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
The worse someone can say is no and it won’t be that bad. And and Henry certainly won’t will be willing to help. So yeah, I encourage you to take the initiative. And Henry, I just wanted to thank you again for being on the show.
00:27:38 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
I hope you have a a great.
00:27:40 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Rest of your academic career and I look forward to hearing what you get up to after graduation too, yeah.
00:27:46 Henri Maindidze
Thank you, Ben. So,
00:27:47 Henri Maindidze
Much for and.
00:27:49 Henri Maindidze
For having me on the show as well, I’ve been a listener of the departmental podcast since I was applying.
00:27:55 Henri Maindidze
For IO PhD.
00:27:56 Henri Maindidze
Programs and it’s it’s been very educational for for me to hear the conversations you have with such wonderful career professionals.
00:27:57 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
That’s great.
00:28:06 Henri Maindidze
I hope that you know for listeners that they’re continuing to learn.
00:28:11 Henri Maindidze
As well along the way and you know, just just seeking to to grow is pursuing their professional goals.
00:28:17 Ben Butina, Ph.D.
Well, thank you for sharing that. It’s very gratifying. I think you made my day, Henry. So have a good one.
00:28:24 Henri Maindidze
As human.
